The Bowhunter's Guide To Career Freedom

BF105: Philip Havens – I Quit! You Can Take This Job and…

Philip Havens Solo Show I Quit

My title for the show today is ..... I quit!

You can take this job and... Do you ever feel this way at work? Do you feel this way often? Perhaps it is time for a change. Perhaps you just need to take some time to evaluate what you are doing. Actually, this is exactly where I am at today. I have been struggling with the direction of my podcast over the past few months. I think what it comes down to is that I'm not really sure what you want.

Hello and welcome to another episode of Bowhunting Freedom with your host Philip Havens. Thank you so much for taking some time to listen to the show. I really do appreciate it. And before I forget to mention my sponsor, this episode is being brought to you by Philip Havens technology LLC a provider of WordPress website development and podcast consulting services.

I quit! You can take this job and...

Do you ever feel this way at work? Do you feel this way often? Perhaps it is time for a change. Perhaps you just need to take some time to evaluate what you are doing. Actually, this is exactly where I am at today. I have been struggling with the direction of my podcast over the past few months. I think what it comes down to is that I'm not really sure what you want. I haven't found out what the reasons are that you have for listening to my podcast. I thought when I started the podcast that I knew what you would be looking for. What you wanted to hear from me. But right now, I'm questioning all those things. I have had some great successes in certain aspects of my podcast. I have successfully grown my Twitter followers from nothing to over 14,800. But just having a large number of Twitter followers doesn't make one a successful podcaster. I have been advised by some colleagues that what I need to do is ask you questions to find out what you want. To find out what you need most in your own career search adventure. I don't think that I have ever set myself up as any kind of a career expert, or job seeker expert. However I have had some great guests that have shared their stories and the way that they found success in their job or their career or their business and it has been their stories that I wanted to share. It seems based on the number of you listening, that fewer people are finding my podcast to be something that they want to listen to.

When I started the podcast I had the idea or the vision or the expectation that eventually the show would lead me to a way to make money with it. I don't want to be crass about it, but the reality is it takes a lot of work to plan schedule and produce a podcast. There are monthly costs for various services that I need to use to produce the podcast. Up to this point the podcast has been entirely funded by my own personal bank account. To be clear, I am not a wealthy guy, I'm not a rich guy, from the perspective of many Americans. By the world's standards, I am wealthy and rich. So I don't want to come across as being unappreciative for what I do have, because I am. But again the reality is that I started the podcast as a way to encourage and motivate you to pursue work that you love as I went about doing something that I thought that I would enjoy. And don't get me wrong I do enjoy the process of producing the podcast. It does take a lot of work and I'm willing to put in the work, but in order to continue I need to see some financial incentive to do so. I am giving you free content with every podcast episode, every week. In exchange for giving away the free content, I hoped that the word would spread from you to your friends and your family member to encourage them to listen in to the show and thereby growing the number of people that are listening to the show. But it doesn't appear that that has happened. I am very thankful for every single one of the emails that I received from you where you either thanked me for doing the show or have asked me questions. I'm honored to have been able to serve you in that way. But again and I hate to belabor the point, but without the financial incentive to keep going, I am seriously thinking of quitting the podcast. I almost hate to use that word quit, because that in some respects, in some people's minds, denotes that I failed. I'd like to think that I have been successful. I'd like to think that what I have done up to this point has been worthwhile. I'd like to think that my podcast has given you some value and something worthwhile. And even if I stop producing the show, and let's be clear, I have not made that final decision to stop producing the show. That decision is on the table and I need to take some time to reevaluate and brainstorm options to continue the show. I am very, very interested in what you have to say. If you are listening to this show either for the first time or for the hundred and fifth time, then please reach out to me and let me know what you think. What have you liked about the show? What have you disliked about the show? What can I do better with the show? How can I change the format of the show? Seriously, I want to hear from you. When you have a few minutes and you can get to your computer, I would really, really appreciate it if you would go to my website and use the form there. Or if you prefer, you can just send me an email and my email address is

When you first read the title of this episode, perhaps you thought this was an April fools joke. The reality is, this is a question I have been asking myself lately. What about you? What have you been thinking about your own career lately? Have you been asking yourself similar questions, like what am I doing with my life now? Maybe you are asking why do I put up with this job every day? And those are valid questions to ask even in the best of times. We each need to take responsibility for our own work and our own careers, because in most cases our employers are not looking out for what is best for us. There are not very many companies or businesses or organizations that are altruistic, meaning that they are in business unselfishly to help other people only. Companies are in business to make money. Good companies are in business to provide valued products and services while making money. There is nothing wrong with that at all.

But I am not here to preach about the good and the bad and the ugly about how businesses operate today. I am here to talk to you about your own career direction. Who is in control of your career at this point? If you are not in control of your career, why not?

That is a good segue to mention my sponsor again Philip Havens technology LLC. That obviously is my own business. I provide website development services on the WordPress platform. If you are not familiar with WordPress, it is now the largest system being used to create websites and is in use on about 20% of all websites around the world. That's about 74 million websites. If you have thought about creating your own website for either personal use or for business use, then I'd love to talk to you about it. You see I enjoy developing websites for clients and my 30+ years of technology experience has enabled me to be very good at understanding the requirements of my clients and thereby being able to deliver a successful WordPress website. Perhaps you already have a WordPress website, but it is not mobile responsive. Did you know that in April 2015 Google changed their search algorithms so that if your website is not mobile responsive, then it will not be ranked as highly in search results. You can check it out at the contact page on

Read a recent letter from a new subscriber to my newsletter and my reply

Phil here is my story short version; I am 47 and I have been hunting since I was 14. There was a 5 - 6 year stint I did not hunt but I never gave up. I have gone through all the phases of a hunter and now I am a Sportsman. I am a Volunteer N.Y.S. Hunting Educator, Hunters Ed (gun), and Bow, I have been teaching since 2012 - 2013. I love teaching, seeing the youngsters that come in excited that they will be hunting with their dads or other family member is so rewarding. To see them gleam with joy when they pass, I smile every time! I think to myself yep the family lives on. As much as the news media says families are gone, it is not!!! I see something different every time I teach. Hunting strengthens the Family Core! I have mothers, daughters, wives, fathers and sons, and many more family titles come in and get educated on hunting.

I love the outdoors but and as many of us do I have the "9 - 5" job. I sit at a desk all day. I find myself staring out the window wishing I was outside hunting, fishing, camping anything but what I am doing. I find myself wondering if there is a job out there for me in the sport I love so dearly. If money was not an issue and I lived in a perfect world I would be hunting or in the great outdoors 365 no question, but I am not so I have to be realistic and find a balance until my dreams comes true. I have been looking at jobs for the DEC here in NY, very hard to come by since I have a BA in computer Science not Horticulture. So I think that is out of the question.

I am not looking for financial freedom, though that would be nice, I am looking for a way to do what my passion is, Hunting or something in that field. My neighbor is an outfitter I have often though of doing that but I have no idea where to start and I don't want to pull "food" off his plate, Respect! I am hoping that during my time listening to your podcasts I can find what I am looking for or an idea. By the way I am married and have an 18 year old daughter (headed to college). She is the one that got me into teaching. Who will ever tell their kid no I will not teach you??? I am a religious person and I believe the good Lord above said "you can feed a man for a day but if you teach a man to fish he will never go hungry." My daughter will never go hungry.

Anyway that is my story and yes, teaching hunter ed is in the outdoor industry and it is a start. Before you say it yes I love teaching but since it is volunteer work it does not get me to the "outdoor freedom" I am looking for. I am not 100% sure what you can do to help me because I just started listening to you. Hopefully hearing my short story you maybe able to help me or see something I don't.

Thank you for responding to me so quickly. I am looking forward in hearing from you soon. If you want to read this on air you can.
Thank you,

Hi Rich,
Thank you for sharing your story with me. Mine is too long to share back, but if you listen to my very first episode, then episode 69 and episode 92, where it is just me doing a solo show and talking about my career story with some updates on what is going on in my life. and and are the links to the website where you can take a peek at the blog posts that are an outline of what I talk about basically.

I have serious decisions to make soon about my own business and career. As a matter of fact, today's episode is not yet published because of some personal challenges that I am having. I know you didn't ask for any advice, but what I have learned over the past 6 years since being laid off from ESPN (after a 25 year career with them), is that if you have a 9-5 job that gives you the income to pay your bills (plus savings, college, retirement, etc.) AND you are good at what you do, and it gives you time off to do what you want, then stick with the job unless it is absolutely horrible or intolerable or illegal. It is extremely difficult to start and run a business, I know, I have been trying for 6 years, but that is just me and perhaps God hasn't wired me to run my own business. He has let me try though and my wife and I have not missed a meal or missed paying any bills.

Your values seem to be very close to mine. I'm married, I have two children, a daughter who is married with 2 girls of her own and a single son, we paid for their college at private schools.... I also have a computer science degree and worked entirely in technology jobs since graduating from college, except for my 2 year career as a home inspector from 2013-2015. Knee injury and resulting surgery closed down that business. Can't kneel anymore. My values are God, my wife, my family, then me next. Sometimes we (as husbands) have to put aside (maybe just temporarily) what we WANT to do in order to do what we MUST do to serve our wives and family. A big, hard, bitter pill to swallow, but it does take sacrifice sometimes. phew, I must really sound less than encouraging today. sorry....

Anyway, gotta go. Again, thanks for sharing your story. I know that it is hard to open up to an unknown person and talk about ideas bouncing around in our head. Don't forget to click the first link above to get your career guide.
Warm regards,

So in closing, I have not decided to quit the podcast. I have decided that I need to take a break from it so that I can reevaluate what I'm doing, to make sure that it is still fun for me, because having fun in my work is very motivating to me. At the same time I need to evaluate how I can leverage all that I have learned about podcasting, about interviewing people, about using social media like twitter and Facebook, about building WordPress websites, to generate an income for my family. You see my core values include serving God and being a faithful follower of Jesus, serving my wife and providing for her and loving her, and being in a position where I can help my kids, who are both adults, but they are still my kids, with my time and my money. The reality is that we all need to have money to live in our American culture. Without getting all political about it, I'm of the opinion that it is my responsibility to take care of my wife and family and I should not be looking for someone else to pay my way. So if you are connected to me on twitter or on Facebook or on my email list then please stay connected and please stay tuned in. If you haven't liked the bow hunting freedom Facebook page, then perhaps you can head over there and like the page so that I can stay in touch that way. If you don't follow me on twitter then perhaps you can head over to twitter and follow me at @BowhuntFreedom. and if you are not on my email list then I would encourage you to go to my website and get your free career guide by sharing your email address with me. is the website address. I will send out updates on Twitter and periodically on Facebook and the my newsletter to my email list, but if you want to hear from me to see what I'm doing, then you need to take the step or steps to connect with me.

So this is a wrap for new shows for awhile. Stay tuned and if you haven't listened to all of my past shows, then every single one of them is worthwhile and the information shared doesn't get out of date. Take care - get outside - have some fun - and be safe.

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